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  1. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Zbog svoje pozicije u trenutnoj generaciji, MS je odavno krenuo da promovise svoj sledeci Xbox. Spomenuli su ga na proslom E3-u, a Phil se takodje tokom ovog CES-a bio gost AMD CEO-a Lise Su.

    Od konkretnih rumora smo culi samo da MS sprema ne jedan nego 2 uredjaja, full nextgen konzolu i manju verziju te konzole koja ce biti fokusirana na lower res gaming i streaming. Obe bi trebale imati isti Zen2 procesor, tako da iste igre bi mogle na obe.


    Danas je stigao prvi konkretni rumor od francuskog sajta Jeuxvideo.com:
    - E3 Reveal for Scarlett, with a big focus on Gears of War
    - Lockhart Navi 4TF/discless/8coreZen2/12Gb DDR6/SSD 1Tb NVMe - One S pricing and emphasize on streaming abilities
    - Anaconda Navi 12Tf/8coreZen2/16Gb DDR6/SSD 1Tb NVMe - One X pricing
    - Halo Infinite also released for the One.
    - Ninja Theory game for early 2020 (no mention of the platform)

    https://www.resetera.com/threads/je...019-with-halo-infinite-as-launch-game.101212/

    Francuzi inace kazu da ne mogu da potvde nista osim SSD-a. :D

    Stari MS insajder Tom Warren sa Verge-a je prokomentarisao ovaj rumor sa: "Not all of those specs are accurate."


    So there we go. Nista spekatkularno sto se ovog hardvera tice, graficka u rangu Vege 64 i samo 16GB rama. AdoreTV je rekao da ce full Navi 10 ciljati na brzine malo jace od Vege 64 ali sa dosta manjom potrosnjom. U konzole svakako idu manji klokovi i poneki ugasen CU zbog lakse proizvodnje.

    Tokom ove godine bi trebali saznati prave specifikacije, ali pre toga cemo morati preziveti gomilu rumora.[/spoiler]
     
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  2. voja87

    voja87 Well-Known Member

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    yeah NVMe i to 1tb nema sanse
     
  3. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    1TB QLC [cetiri bita po celiji, najsporije, najjeftinije i sa najkracim zivotnim rokom, ali i dalje dovoljno za 1-2TB/s u short burst sequential radu ako je kontroler dobar] je u retailu oko $150 trenutno. U konzoli koja kosta $500 MS bi verovatno mogao malo da se bahati ako bu uspeli da ugrabe tako nesto za ispod $100.

    Sprema se i SSD tech sa 8 bita po celiji, kao i overall 25% pojeftinjenje svih SSD-ova do kraja godine.


    edit - Za one koji hoce, Crucial P1 1TB je 160e u HU, a 512GB verzija je 85e.
     
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  4. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    To je u stvari malo stariji rumor, bio je pre mesec-dva na redditu. Insajder sa Ere je isto potvrdio da su SSD i raytracing istina, tako da su ovi verovatno na osnovu toga napravili clanak.

    edit: evo ga leak + komentar insajdera

    Code:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/i3TnTKk
    
    About the reddit leak.
    
    [*]The hardware is partially true
    [*]Storage is true
    [*]Raytracing is true
    [*]Lockhart is not Streaming box
    [*]Xbox SoC codename is Anubis, check AMD's plan
    [*]MS AI is not a part of the hardware, in other words, never heard of TPU or ASIC like it
    [*]How to implement Raytracing? See GDC 2019
    [*]Why they make a decision like Lockhart? See GDC 2019
    [*]Why there still no DevKit? After GDC 2019
    
    
    Cekamo da prodje GDC :D
     
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  5. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Prosli put je GDC unveil za developere bio u godini kada su konzole izlazile.

    Ja i dalje ne ocekujem puno od ovogodisnjeg GDC-a, osim ako MS bas bas hoce da krene u veoma rani marketing i spremanje developera [kad im nista drugo ne ide od ruke].
     
  6. vetar

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    - Lockhart Navi 4TF/discless/8coreZen2/12Gb DDR6/SSD 1Tb NVMe - One S pricing and emphasize on streaming abilities
    - Anaconda Navi 12Tf/8coreZen2/16Gb DDR6/SSD 1Tb NVMe - One X pricing


    Dopada mi se MS plan, znači jedna konzola koja će biti povoljnija sa cenom oko $300 i performansama slične kao Xbox One X,
    i jedna skuplja sa fokusom na 4K koja će biti 3x jača i sa cenom od oko $500.
     
  7. grunt

    grunt Celeb Freak

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    Kakav je ovo BULLSHIT. Em je gpu/ram smesan, jos 1tb ssd ma daj.... Ako ovo bude blizu istine boze pomozi.
     
  8. voja87

    voja87 Well-Known Member

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    Lockhart ima slabiji gpu od xbox one x-a? i to sumnjam
     
  9. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    1tb ssd je realna opcija, 8/16 zen 2 takodje, ostalo je nagadjanje.

    Ako Sony gadja prvu polovinu 2020., sto nije nerealno ako su ranije planirali launch za kraj 2019., mozda bude nesto.
     
  10. YOTH

    YOTH Well-Known Member

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    Jel 8 jezgara 16 threadova ili samo osam jezgara?
     
  11. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Za obe konzole glasnine spominju pun standardni Zen2 modul, znaci 8c/16t.
     
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  12. Teoreticar

    Teoreticar El Profesor

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    Da... nista sem $$$ :D
     
  13. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Mi igramo igre, a ne lozimo pare kao Escobar.

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  14. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    https://www.thurrott.com/xbox/200039/microsoft-to-talk-next-gen-consoles-at-e3-2019#
     
  15. howler

    howler Well-Known Member

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    https://kotaku.com/phil-spencer-on-xbox-s-unusual-strategy-working-with-s-1835652509

    Prso ovaj Spencer

    Totilo : “Does Xbox even need to have a box?” long-term. Does it need to have all its games all on one device anymore? Where does this go eventually?

    Spencer: We use this tagline both internally and externally: Play the games you want, with the people you want and we say on the devices [you want], which you can think about as “anywhere.” And we are driven by that.

    Totilo: But can you make enough money doing what you’re doing? This is a business.

    Spencer: This is easy. The business is selling software and services. The business is not how many consoles you sell. The consoles are not where the profit in this side of the business is made, which is where the whole: ‘Who’s selling more consoles’ at any one time as the kind of root good of who is doing well in the business is just not true

    Covece pa propo ti Xbone sistem zasto nisi omogucio dovoljan broj igara sa kim ce se identifikovati taj sistem. Kako ces prodati softver i servise ako nemas podloge za tome.
    Prodaja softvera i servisa je odlike na broj prodatih console unit-a

    https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/0...-high-in-2018-topped-nintendo-and-xbox-totals

     
  16. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    Neki insajderi javljaju da je MS izgleda batalio plan da izbace dva SKU-a, jeftinija konzola otpada. Navodno developerima se ne svidja ideja da moraju da skaliraju igre za slabiju konzolu. Sve je jos uvek rumor naravno.
     
  17. Wahad

    Wahad Prekidać 4 Life! Staff Member Administrator

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    Totalno je u pravu da pare ne dolaze od konzola, nego od igara i servisa. Sam sam video mnoge interne brojke u proslosti


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  18. voja87

    voja87 Well-Known Member

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    verovatno, mada da xbox ne zaostaje toliko verovatno bi potencirao i broj prodatih konzola
     
  19. Super Simke 64

    Super Simke 64 I hate haters!!!

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    Da, dolaze od igara i servisa ali tako što svaki 3rd party koji izdaje igru za Sony, Microsoft i Nintendo njima dake 30% od svih prihoda. Više prodatih konzola, veći user base, veći prihodi od 3rd party igara. Sony sada ne prliva u parama od Uncharteda, The Last of Us, God of Wara, Horizona,... već zbog mnogo prodatih konzola na kojima se većinom kupuju i igraju GTA, Call of Duty, razne FIFE, Maddeni,... od čije ukupne prodaje i svake mikrotransakcije u njima Sony uzima 30%.

    Tako da Spencer lupa.
     
  20. Maxa

    Maxa opsa!

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    mogu pare da ne dolaze od konzola, ali onda servis mora dobro da se proda.
     
  21. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    ZhugeEX je takodje rekao da je MS odavno presao na single-console pristup kod naslednika xbone-a.
     
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  22. Omega

    Omega N64 je đubre

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    Šta zna najbogatija kompanija na svijetu kako se zarađuju pare...
     
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  23. Super Simke 64

    Super Simke 64 I hate haters!!!

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    Ti znaš bolje od njih, ne brinem.
     
  24. Wahad

    Wahad Prekidać 4 Life! Staff Member Administrator

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    Ironican je na vase mapisane gluposti.


    Simke i howler standardno nemaju pojma sta pisu i bez ikakvog osnova


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  25. howler

    howler Well-Known Member

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    Hey, jednom ne tako davno "najbogatija kompanija na svijetu" imala vakve vizionare, srecom pa kupci prepoznali te dobre namere i nagradili njihovo poslovanje.

    Tako da ne brinem se ja nicemu. Od vreme na vreme provuce se neko sranje kao DLC standarde, ali uglavnom masa zna prepoznati sta valja a sta ne.
     
  26. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    Bogami, masa ocigledno ne prepoznaje dobro mikrotransakcije :D Evo, EA se brani ovih dana na sudu, kaze da su loot boxes u stvari zabavna mehanika iznenadjenja :lol:
     
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  27. Maxa

    Maxa opsa!

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    pravo na lomačicu.
     
  28. Undenis

    Undenis Ultimativni poljski konjušar

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  29. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Nista novo, samo prepricavanje E3 vesti. Scarlet koristi iste arhitekture/SSD kao PS5, uz malo rasprave sta sve moze da stane u 350-380mm2 APU.
     
  30. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Here we go again, ovaj put sa tvrdnjom da ce Lockhart biti digital-only konzola bez BD drajva

    What we don’t know—and what likely isn’t finalized yet—is how the pricing will shake out. But it’s easiest to think of Anaconda as a successor to the Xbox One X and Lockhart as a successor to the Xbox One S, with a similar performance disparity. Game developers will be expected to support both Anaconda and Lockhart, which some are worried might hamper their ambitions for next-gen games in the coming years.

    When speaking to Kotaku, one game developer briefed on Lockhart analogized it to the PlayStation 4 Pro in terms of raw graphical power, although there are other key differences that might make up for that. Lockhart is said to have a solid-state drive, like both Anaconda and Sony’s upcoming PlayStation 5, which is expected to have a significant impact on loading times. Developers briefed on Lockhart also say it has a faster CPU than any current video game console, which could allow for higher frame-rates, although there are other factors that might not become clear until the console is completely finalized, such as clock speed and cooling.

    Microsoft’s ideal target performances are said to be 4K resolution and 60 frames-per-second on Anaconda and 1440p resolution and 60 frames-per-second on Lockhart.
    https://kotaku.com/sources-microsoft-is-still-planning-a-cheaper-disc-le-1840203823





    Nadam se da Lockhart nece uticati na razvoj nextgen multiplat igara, tj, da ce prisustvo ovog "najslabijeg" hardvera ograniciti igre na drugim platformama. U najboljem slucaju, Lockhart bi trebao da ima identican CPU kao i Anaconda, uz manji GPU zbog manje target rezolucije.
     
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  31. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    I par detalja od Verge-a:

    "Microsoft’s Anaconda console will be the true next-gen leap, and sources tell The Verge that Microsoft is targeting more than 10 teraflops of graphical power on this particular console. Plans for Lockhart may change, but currently this console will debut with around 4 teraflops of graphical power."

    "Sources say that Lockhart will get a next-gen CPU, but that it will be clocked slower than what’s available on Anaconda."

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/4/...ect-scarlett-lockhart-anaconda-launch-details
     
  32. grunt

    grunt Celeb Freak

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    Koja je poenta tog lockhart-a ne kontam.... Samo snize cenu X-a i izbace obican One iz liste podrzanih konzola za nove igre, ako bas hoce da imaju 2 konzole aktuelne.
     
  33. zdravkelja

    zdravkelja Member

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    Ne moze X sa Jaguarom da bude aktuelan :D
     
  34. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.

    Jaguar, malo rama, spor storage. Igra napravljena da optereti 16thread Zen2 CPU [CPU sa najboljim IPC-om u trenutnojh istoriji covecanstva] i ostatak nextgen hardvera ce biti veoma teska/nemoguca za backporting.


    Ne treba nam vise Shadow of Mordor portova, gde je AI uproscen, smanjen broj protivnika, gameplay sistemi izbaceni, etc.
     
  35. Revan

    Revan Well-Known Member

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    Fascinantno kako u svom anglo-srpskom ne koristis hardware umesto hardver. xD
     
  36. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Posebno se ponosim koriscenjem "etc"-a umesto "itd" i samo cekam kad se neko triggerovati.
     
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  37. Revan

    Revan Well-Known Member

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    Anglo-srpski vece zlo i od CDPR-a i Poljaka.
     
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  38. voja87

    voja87 Well-Known Member

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    Cpu sa najboljim ipc-om u istoriji covecanstva, vau
     
  39. DieH@rd

    DieH@rd Winter Knight Staff Member Administrator

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    Samo sam hteo da kazem, da ovaj put, u konzolama dobijamo zaista najbolji moguci X86 CPU tech. Efektivno, dobijamo Intel-grade CPU u konzolama, i jedino sto ce ga sputavati je cinjenica sto ce oboriti malo klokove.

    Umesto da se igre prave za low-power netbook procesor iz 2012, pravice se za najbolji moguci X86 desktop procesor koji danas moze da se kupi. Ako igre budu iskoriscavale taj procesor, portovanje unazad ce biti veoma tezak proces. Kako pojednostaviti sukob sa 20 AI-a u DMC6 a ocuvati gameplay identicnim?
     
  40. voja87

    voja87 Well-Known Member

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    Sad jbg imas i ryzen sa duplo vise jezgara, visim klokom a verovatno ce xbox/ps5 verzija imati i manje cache-a
     

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